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TB

Don’t agree that fun is “all that counts at the end of the day”. When I go to a class I want to learn. I’ve been to classes that were “fun” but where I didn’t learn anything usable. The fun comes from what the lessons enable you to do on the dancefloor.

Bobby
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Ahh yeah I see what your there... I mean I do really enjoy dancing... So what I learn and re-use is what I count as fun.

But I s’pose not all people are there to learn, and I think the conflict comes when someone who is there just to have a laugh and someone who is serious start dancing with each other.

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XY

Well, it’s a while since I dropped by this forum, and also Cardiff, but from attending The Toad a year ago, Andy’s teaching was well up to the general intermediate standard found in the London area, and I still use two-thirds of the material...

I do think the more variety you get among teachers, the more you learn - including the important principle that there’s more than one way of doing things - each may have advantage / disadvantage for you but you can choose and adapt it to your own repertoire and style. So if the number of teachers in Cardiff has declined, or those who teach are all from the same mould, that’s a pity.

On the timeless saga of leading and following, it takes two to dance a partner dance and sometimes they fit together immediately, sometimes it takes a while. But always it takes attention and consideration each for the other. I think this thread may have got away (although rather enjoyably for a bystander LOL) from a general question of whether teachers pay enough attention - or indeed students pay enough attention - to developing leading and following skills and technique, rather than expanding their repertoire of moves that may later turn out, by hard experience, to be more choreographed than led. That is where, I suspect, the ‘local factor’ comes in: dancers from the same area who’ve had the same teachers and classes are more likely to succeed in the same dance patterns even if the lead and follow has not been properly taught and learned. It’s also probably where out-of-towners may come to assume that ‘the locals can’t dance properly’ and the feeling may well be mutual! Another good reason to seek variety in your instruction.

I know I’m not the only lead who has had to piece together technique as much through trial and error as through instruction, and wished that more emphasis had been placed by teachers on that aspect. And also wished that more emphasis had been placed on following technique, too, as classes proceeded...

Teachers, however, may say that a class will get bored (especially the ladies) if they don’t get a sequence of new moves...

And lastly, I suspect that once a salsero/salsera has reached a high enough level of prowess to dance naturally without having to think, they may have forgotten those little points of difficulty they themselves had with technique when learning to lead / follow. And so they find it hard to pitch their instruction to the class.

Whaddayathink?

TB

I think you're dead right. I'd like to see much more emphasis on shorter sequences and individual moves, and on learning technique, and as you say it's difficult for experienced dancers to teach basic points of technique. (Paul G-S used to apologise for not really being able to teach spinning as he'd learnt it in ballet classes a child.)
Most people – including myself – really need to keep working on getting even quite basic moves correct, accurate and neat rather than half-learning yet another long sequence.

Your point on the "local factor" is good too. The converse is that if you go to a new city with some Cardiff moves that you've really learnt to lead properly the locals will love the novelty and think you're a better or more interesting dancer than your usual victims do (it's happened to me and it's great for the ego!)

el Diablito
Member

Of course both of you are completely right in what you say...

But remember the original question in the thread asked ‘How good is Salsa in Cardiff?’

I know chippy was probably angling in your direction but the question is open to interpretation as you can tell by many of the preceding posts. If you are simply talking about the technique of dancing Salsa then I can’t disagree with anything you’ve said however, for many people Salsa is not just about technique or in fact, just dancing and without forever going around in the same loop I feel it is fair to make this point.

wizzy

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TB

I can go one better than that with a video - you'll need RealPlayer to view it though.

el Diablito
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*** Come on just one more post and we hit 100 ***

Anyway about Salsa in Cardiff... I'm just making a comparison here... To Bristol that is.

At least whilst we were promoting in Cardiff I didn't get all my CDs nicked by some crack head. My memories of Cardiff grow fonder by the day!

Hugh
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I’m very sorry to hear that, Steve. Do you really mean all of them?

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