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el Diablito
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Mr Chips... Are you sure you received your black eye, thick lip, and various other injuries as a result of being an amazing dancer in amongst a bunch of less able dancers. Or is it that you are constantly twated for being so arrogant.

Welsh Lass... I'm with you in that, you clearly understand that Salsa at least as it is practiced in most of the rest of the world is about club culture. For different people it will be about different things but can include any or all of the following: - socialising, drinking, smoking, meeting potential partners etc. Of course it is about listening to the music (Mr Chips didn't mention that one) and yes dancing.

The listening to the music part of the equation being at least as important as learning moves, as with out connecting to the music you'll probably look like a piece of wood and it won't matter how many moves you learn or how perfectly you execute them.

I'd suggest anyone who believes otherwise should probably take up Ballroom or some other Anglo-Saxon pursuit because they've completely missed the point. It is not or should not be so much about constantly striving to learn new moves and to exercise them with such precision as not to be criticised by your peers.

Mr Chips states that you wouldn't dream of getting in to a car with out first learning to drive. Equally you shouldn't dream of going in to a nightclub with your head up your arse, telling people what standard should be expected of them.

If it's Latin culture and especially Salsa that you like, you should understand that it is better suited to a club environment and culture. For most people who indulge, dancing Salsa is an amateur pursuit more about having fun, (not a professional competitive / competition dance) which will include making mistakes and laughing about them. You shouldn't worry if you have only had a few dance lessons and you are happy with your level. So long as you are enjoying your night out and people are prepared to dance with you, you have reached a satisfactory standard.

After saying all of this, it is a joy to be able to dance to a high standard and I would recommend it; in fact my business depends on it. But I have to say that if my club was full of people looking down their noses and judging others by any other criteria than... 'are they having a good time'... I'd pack it all in faster than you could say... ¿Que pasa?

MrChips
Member

Ladies, ladies... please. this is not about you. it's not really about the guys. this is really about the standard of teaching in Cardiff. [as per my original message] When guys can't lead well and ladies can't follow, there is something sadly wrong.

You don't get this in any other major city. So why Cardiff?

I think there is an acknowledgement throughout this thread that this is the case.

There are couple of questions I would pose.

Are the teachers that take your hard earned money off you every week or whenever it is you do a Salsa class, a] actually qualified to teach and b] qualified to teach salsa?

Literally anyone can set themselves up as a Salsa teacher.

How do you really know you are getting value for money? are you actually learning anything?

How long have the teachers been dancing? Not essential but a good indicator. Are they insured for third party liability?

To answer your question 'a lady with style', yes i can follow. I have been dancing for more years than i care to mention.

I agree that ladies in Cardiff are better leaders. As TB stated that's probably why several of the best woman dancers in Cardiff spend a lot of their time dancing with other women. Isn't that in itself a sad indictment of salsa in Cardiff?

In my days a 'troll' was something from swedish mythology. it was a giant endowed with supernatural powers. more recently it became an impish dwarf... and now it means something entirely different...

MrChips
Member

El Diablito... what can I say. You have introduced an entirely new dimension into this discussion.

president WIZZY

Good job no-one knows who u are bud as u've now got salsa teachers wanting to twat u as well as welsh ladies (joke). Read a previous thread about a *salsa teaching course* & u might find a few answers. I'm sure Hugh can direct you to the thread.

MrChips
Member

El Diablito... Yes I am sure how I sustained my injuries. I thought that was abundantly clear. Have never stated that I was an amazing dancer. That is for others to say. The use of offensive and profain language is not very helpful [President WIZZY take note] and really doesn’t lift the discussion. Just for your information I’m not arrogant. Ever heard of the expression, shooting the messenger?

Not quite sure where smoking and drinking fits in to Salsa and how the two are compatible with dancing. There are many reasons why people may take up salsa. For me it was the love of the music. I think if people enter the salsa scene with the intention of finding a potential partner they are going to be sadly dissapointed. Perhaps that is one for the lonely hearts columns.

It also raises the question as to what you actually know about latin culture to come out with some of the comments you have.

Your last paragraph really sums it for me... ‘your business depends upon it’... Priceless!

Are you thinking what we are thinking???

president WIZZY

Erm... Don’t get what your on about chippy. I highlighted that I was joking u dipstick. I haven’t attacked anything you’ve said - infact I’ve tried 2 guide u in a direction to answer some of your points. Also - in an earlier comment made by me, I mentioned a lack of Variety in teachers - namely there are two! I agree about the smoking & salsa discussion, infact I thought it was so daft I hijacked the thread & got banned (another story) I’ve not come here 2 attack u & I’ve nothing to proove so u don’t need to go on the offensive mate. Maybe a salsa teache could interrupt & offer an opinion.

Valley Girl

Mr Chips has successfully wound us up... and has loved doing so.
Hey Chippy... fancy coming down to Wales and we ladies can flap around and show you how to have fun on the dance floor!?
We can practice our 'Eddie' moves on you.

el Diablito
Member

Mr Chips...

Salsa is a street dance, a dance that belongs to club culture. Try asking any Latino and they’ll tell you that it has everything to do with all the elements of club culture, including the ones I mentioned. I can state this as fact because I’ve run Latin clubs for the last ten years and you’ll find many Latinos in the club, most all tell me that we run Latin clubs authentically including our Salsa club.

I’d say the most offensive of posts so far in this thread are the ones offered by you to the people of Cardiff especially the Ladies, and in particular to the post from Welsh Lass! I’d not be at all surprised to find out that you’re not an amazing dancer but you are most definitely arrogant; Neither are you the messenger as you claim, you are the protagonist... Possibly a troll.

You talk as if Salsa was divorced from Latin club culture, which if you knew anything about Salsa you would know it is not. It is not just a dance, or is it, just about the music, although both are important. This is where some people including you it seems, miss the point.

If you want to learn a specific dance without accepting that other people might have a different take on it, then as I said in the previous post you should go and learn Ballroom where everything is more structured and is much more about the dance, with categorization and qualification central to the culture. Or at least learn, practice and socialise in a church hall, social centre or gym. Because people get drunk in nightclubs, they smoke in nightclubs; they bump into one another, sometimes they bump into one another in more pleasant ways and that’s the way of it... So why don’t you just leave them to it and stop trying to change a culture that’s been around for decades, one which I think you’ll find most people are happy with?

There are many people in Salsa who will vouch to having met their life partners or having had other kinds of liaisons with people they met in Salsa clubs; Sadness and loneliness have little to do with it. I know at our club we’ve had more weddings result from people having met each other than Cilla Black had with blind date.

As for your final paragraph and the reference to my final paragraph...

‘My business depends upon it’

Primarily we run a nightclub... We also teach people to dance and in that order of priority because we don’t consider ourselves to be a dance school with practice, but a nightclub with classes. If we didn’t also teach people, there wouldn’t be any dancers in our club, unless we were prepared to poach them from other promoters, which we never have. But I can tell you that our focus remains on the real reason for learning to dance Salsa i.e. To enjoy the culture in the way it was meant to be enjoyed, furthermore, unlike you we don’t judge any of the people we teach, or for that matter that come into our club to dance. And most if not all of the Latino Promoters and teachers I know, would agree with that sentiment.

Starlet

Mr Chips
whether your intentions were so or not - you have come across as rather arrogant and critical of us Welsh - you do not state if you're origins are Celtic or otherwise but one can guess you probably are not! Also you seem to suggest that your "love of music" is the most honourable reason for starting salsa - one of the things I love most about salsa is the mixed bag of nuts that comes with it. Where all types of people mix together some great dancers some not so - it shouldn't matter we are brought together to share in a common interest - no matter why we started it. I have met many wonderful people on the Cardiff salsa scene who started for many different reasons - personal tragedy, change in circumstances, the need to dance - all of these (in my opinion) being a justified reason to take it up.
I leave you with this thought Mr. Chips ever thought of Morris dancing?

TB

Thinking about it I’m a bit puzzled by Mr Chips’ original post where he says that women in Cardiff can’t follow a CBL. I’ve come across two women in the past six months who couldn’t, and they were both beginners. Maybe it’s the lead?

And I reiterate, I think it’s less to do with the standard of teaching and more to do with unwillingness to learn or adapt to the partner (and a tendency to blame the woman if she can’t follow you) on the part of many men.

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