bailamos
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Message 31 · 14 Jan 2004 07:22 GMT ...and if you go for an inexperienced dancer when a fast track is playing you may end up leaving a trail of devastation across the dancefloor... |
Twink
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Message 32 · 14 Jan 2004 14:07 GMT hi Ronda I am sure any man would feel flattered if you asked him to dance - just as we are in reverse. surely in this day and age its ok for either partner to do the asking. i personally ask men i know well to dance as i feel comfortable with them - but thats just me. Keep on asking Ronda and enjoy the dancing!!! |
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Message 33 · 2 Feb 2004 12:58 GMT Aren't we making a mistake -
for this to hold one has to have the next dance.
Each time I enquire, 'I'm busy talking to my friends' - I'm tired - The last time at the competition I found just how tired - well - well. I pressed the issue - well your the most difficult person to dance with - Join the beginners again - or leave for the Chess Club - ie get out of my way. |
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Edited by: hugh Message 34 · 3 Feb 2004 02:13 GMT At least some women in a salsa club will be there because they want to dance, so if you are there all evening, do the classes, and still not one of them will dance with you, the problem probably lies with you. If women have actually said you are difficult to dance with, then that's a clue, find out what it is you are doing that's so annoying and stop it. It's a fact that some people are very unpleasant to dance with. I've often thought, after my first dance with someone, "That was awful, I'm not going to dance with her again." Some women will never dance with you; maybe she doesn't like your hair, maybe she doesn't like your shoes, it doesn't matter. If she doesn't want to dance with you, she doesn't have to. You say, "I pressed the issue." Jeezus! You must NEVER do that! If you hassle a woman to dance with you, it just proves to her that she was right to turn you down in the first place. In the immortal words of Phil Lynott "If that chick don't want to know, forget her." |
bailamos
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Edited by: bailamos Message 35 · 3 Feb 2004 08:33 GMT I posted a reply to David's comment which seems to have been censored, which is probably a good thing as it was a bit intemperate. But I would agree with Hugh that you need to look at your own behaviour and dancing ability rather than complaining about the women. While there are a few divas around, in general women in Cardiff are pretty tolerant - maybe too tolerant in some cases. |
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Message 36 · 3 Feb 2004 13:52 GMT So, Obviously my fault - I knew that already -
Jeezus - how would I know - I didn't hassle people Nobody had the honesty to tell me - I must never press the issue - I didn't push people - No I tolerantly accepted their response and left them. My patience ran out after 2 years - So that deals with my behaviour.
My dancing ability is not up to standard - How do I know ? Its clear enough that if people won't tell you you can't improve on what I don't know.
My shoes - That's a good one - my shoes - I'd better use them to walk out following that advice. That gives people the satisfaction of knowing you aren't up to their standard.
Asking people why is obviously a mistake. I was tired of being fobbed off. |
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Message 37 · 4 Feb 2004 10:05 GMT Did I miss something? (Confused)
I thought Salsa was just a relaxing break, the chance to have a drink, chat and dance with both new friends and old.
It doesn't matter who does the asking, or what level he is at or she is at for that matter.
Patience, politeness and the occassional smile while you are both enjoying a really good track is all that is needed for everyone to have a great evening!
If there is ever a time when you become that stressed and annoyed - Quit!
If nobody danced with me, or I couldn't after several months of dancing even have the basics right...Quite frankly I wouldn't be there!
Salsa is surposed to be fun! |
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Message 38 · 4 Feb 2004 10:28 GMT I agree with Pinky - salsa is just ment to be fun. I am very disappointed in the "advice" offered to David from the chat room. I have just worked out who David is and personally I think it is a very sad end to what provided this man with a lot of fun. And regarding hassleing Ladies - there is not a bad bone in this man's body! You all know how I can snap when teaching and did so towards David on many occaisions. Yet he always returned - determined to give it another go! As far as I'm concerned - that makes him a star in my book. David, with respect, your strengths my not lie in salsa... but you are one of the most highly academic and intellectual men I have met and I know how damn hard you tried and continued to persevere even when the chips were down. Don't be put off now. |
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Message 39 · 4 Feb 2004 13:33 GMT I have a lot of time for anybody both on and off the dance floor! I feel everybody should be made to feel welcome - but in order to save people's embarassment and, I am afraid to add, ridicule (as i have witnessed!) I do think the teachers should "recommend" which class people attend. We are constantly being told by great dancers how important it is to get the basic steps right and that one cannot practice them enough!!! Therefore there is no shame in perservering until you get them under your belt! Maybe in order to protect people from brush offs or worse, it would be better for everybody if a discreet recommendation from the salsa teachers was given to both those who need more practice of the basics, or more challenge. Personally I enjoy the company of enthusisatic beginners more than the odd premadonna who is intent in showing off their dancing prowess no matter what!!! we all have to start somewhere. |
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Edited by: hugh Message 40 · 5 Feb 2004 02:27 GMT You're right, Twink, and in a perfect world things would be just as you suggest, but it is asking a lot from the teachers for the few pounds we give them.
The basics are not taught properly for two reasons:
1. Teaching the basics day after day is boring, so there is an understandable tendency for teachers to lose enthusiasm for it.
2. Many people cannot be bothered to learn the basics properly even if they are told they need more practice. They can't wait to get on with leaping around the dancefloor, spinning and being spun, that's what they are sure salsa is all about.
The salsa class model we have takes the path of least resistance. People would resist paying the £20 or £30 per hour it would cost for one-to-one tuition from a good teacher and many people resist the idea of signing up and paying for a fixed length course.
So we have the just-turn-up system, but this means that in any class of beginners, many of them will be at their first class and will never come to another one. It must be disheartening for teachers to spend time and effort giving encouragement and advice to people who are not really that interested and whom they will never see again.
All this leads to a "let 'em get on with it" attitude which means that people are allowed to do classes they're not ready for and a lot of bad dancing goes unchecked. |
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